I once again, in obsessive fashion, look at artificial intelligence and consciousness, and this time from the perspective of the Turing test. I just had to get it off my chest!
It is not an area I have looked into, so will have a look at the linked to article. I have a friend who told me that he was looking at hermeneutic ideas a few years back, but I did not follow him in that direction.
This is an interesting essay on an important subject at a time when we are being told AI is faster and smarter than we are. But is that true? In his book; "Feeling & Knowing" Dr. Antonio Demasio states that "feelings were and are the beginning of an adventure called consciousness." If this is so then all mammals have cognitive privilege (feelings) just as all fetuses have immune privilege. He states that: "All mammals and birds and fish are minded and conscious." So what distinguishes our consciousness from theirs?
I have a wonderful dog, whom is clever, loving, intelligent and minded, but when I put a mirror in front of him, he barks, as if its another dog invading his territory. This is called the "mirror test" devised by Gordon Gallupp, and he found that no other animal passed this test (except chimps). So how is it we have subjective awareness which no other animals have?
Consider the disease of dementia. We know that people with ApoE4 gene have a propensity for it, and if you get it from both parents, you will likely get early dementia and die. Yet, this is the gene that ALL our ancestors had, exclusively, because it was perfect high-energy brain gene for nomadic tribes, on long journeys had no guarantee of food.
So why does APOE4 cause dementia? Because the brain is only 3% body weight but consumes 20% of total energy. In other words dementia is not a physiological disease so much as a conservation of energy. That is why bigPharma has spent over $300 million of targeting amyloid protein to no avail. Ask yourself how the body would respond to the organ with the highest energy consumption? It would conserve it. That is what Amyloid does in our brain, where the prime-directive is "use it or lose it." It is the tau-protein that is kryptonite when the amyloid tipping-point is reached. So our ancestors had to devise a new APOE-gene that would conserve energy, and APOE2 arose 70,000 years ago with something completely different, neural nodes of connectivity that do not rely on brain-cells and IQ for growth, but rather energy-free ideas from inspiration. So consider Sir Issac Newton, sat beneath an apple tree and watched an apply fall, and from this he devised the entire laws of motions and Universal gravitational constant. No brain cells required, just contextual gestalts built from social narrative that give him a Eureka moment. Can you see?
70,000 years ago the brain devised a new way to conserve energy in the most expensive energy dependent organ in our body, by converting us from knowledge IQ (brain cells) to knowledge from inspiration (synapses). The human brain has 100 billion neurones forming a quadrillion synapses in a cognitive universe of a quintillion connections, held together by neural nodes of connectivity, that conserve energy. Dementia has nothing to do with illness and everything to do with conservation of energy! If you don't believe me consider this question; how does the placebo effect work from free energy? Fabrizio Benedetti, makes the case in is book "Placebo Effects", that it comes from our "social brain" built upon social narratives rather than natural selection.
Interesting ideas. Some seem quite speculative, some seem to be consistent with current understanding (with the acknowledgement that our current understanding may have little connection to the truth of thing). Since your comment is so dense and hard to unpack, have you considered making an essay of your thoughts since you have covered so many things in so little space here?
Yes, I’m publishing on my Medium page tomorrow, “Why do we have intelligence?” Hope to put in my substack as well. And I’m currently writing a book on the subject.
Clinton? Lies? Well he is a politician, and a psychopathic one I think (but that may be somewhat redundant). Unlike his wife, he does have some personal charm, a charming sleazeball - they are legion.
Of course, I think that the belief in the Clinton body count is the correct one, although it is not just the Clintons, it is the deep state. However, I am a conspiracy factist, so that undoubtedly explains my thinking.
No matter how many samples of Infinity you take and connect the dots, it still can never = Infinity. It will always be a relative approximation.
John 16:13
13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Con-science or pseudo science is conTrary to a well formed conscience.
I doubt that an AI will ever go into a field like this and make any independent contributions.
https://www.iihermeneutics.org/about-hermeneutics
It is not an area I have looked into, so will have a look at the linked to article. I have a friend who told me that he was looking at hermeneutic ideas a few years back, but I did not follow him in that direction.
This is an interesting essay on an important subject at a time when we are being told AI is faster and smarter than we are. But is that true? In his book; "Feeling & Knowing" Dr. Antonio Demasio states that "feelings were and are the beginning of an adventure called consciousness." If this is so then all mammals have cognitive privilege (feelings) just as all fetuses have immune privilege. He states that: "All mammals and birds and fish are minded and conscious." So what distinguishes our consciousness from theirs?
I have a wonderful dog, whom is clever, loving, intelligent and minded, but when I put a mirror in front of him, he barks, as if its another dog invading his territory. This is called the "mirror test" devised by Gordon Gallupp, and he found that no other animal passed this test (except chimps). So how is it we have subjective awareness which no other animals have?
Consider the disease of dementia. We know that people with ApoE4 gene have a propensity for it, and if you get it from both parents, you will likely get early dementia and die. Yet, this is the gene that ALL our ancestors had, exclusively, because it was perfect high-energy brain gene for nomadic tribes, on long journeys had no guarantee of food.
So why does APOE4 cause dementia? Because the brain is only 3% body weight but consumes 20% of total energy. In other words dementia is not a physiological disease so much as a conservation of energy. That is why bigPharma has spent over $300 million of targeting amyloid protein to no avail. Ask yourself how the body would respond to the organ with the highest energy consumption? It would conserve it. That is what Amyloid does in our brain, where the prime-directive is "use it or lose it." It is the tau-protein that is kryptonite when the amyloid tipping-point is reached. So our ancestors had to devise a new APOE-gene that would conserve energy, and APOE2 arose 70,000 years ago with something completely different, neural nodes of connectivity that do not rely on brain-cells and IQ for growth, but rather energy-free ideas from inspiration. So consider Sir Issac Newton, sat beneath an apple tree and watched an apply fall, and from this he devised the entire laws of motions and Universal gravitational constant. No brain cells required, just contextual gestalts built from social narrative that give him a Eureka moment. Can you see?
70,000 years ago the brain devised a new way to conserve energy in the most expensive energy dependent organ in our body, by converting us from knowledge IQ (brain cells) to knowledge from inspiration (synapses). The human brain has 100 billion neurones forming a quadrillion synapses in a cognitive universe of a quintillion connections, held together by neural nodes of connectivity, that conserve energy. Dementia has nothing to do with illness and everything to do with conservation of energy! If you don't believe me consider this question; how does the placebo effect work from free energy? Fabrizio Benedetti, makes the case in is book "Placebo Effects", that it comes from our "social brain" built upon social narratives rather than natural selection.
Interesting ideas. Some seem quite speculative, some seem to be consistent with current understanding (with the acknowledgement that our current understanding may have little connection to the truth of thing). Since your comment is so dense and hard to unpack, have you considered making an essay of your thoughts since you have covered so many things in so little space here?
Yes, I’m publishing on my Medium page tomorrow, “Why do we have intelligence?” Hope to put in my substack as well. And I’m currently writing a book on the subject.
Plus AI lies like a Clinton! https://timothywiney.substack.com/p/absolute-bombshell
Thanks Timothy. I reposted your article.
Clinton? Lies? Well he is a politician, and a psychopathic one I think (but that may be somewhat redundant). Unlike his wife, he does have some personal charm, a charming sleazeball - they are legion.
Of course, I think that the belief in the Clinton body count is the correct one, although it is not just the Clintons, it is the deep state. However, I am a conspiracy factist, so that undoubtedly explains my thinking.
No matter how many samples of Infinity you take and connect the dots, it still can never = Infinity. It will always be a relative approximation.
John 16:13
13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Con-science or pseudo science is conTrary to a well formed conscience.